Sony claims Xbox 360 requires HD DVD, etc., thus costs $700
By Ryan Block 
posted Oct 19th 2006 8:57PM
posted Oct 19th 2006 8:57PM
P.S. -In the interest of fairness, it's also worth pointing out the Wii browser is what will cost you after the first 6 months -- not their online service. What's more, if you download the browser before June of 2007, it's straight up free. Otherwise, Nintendo hasn't yet announced details of the cost of their online service so far as we know. Another nice one, Sony.
P.P.S. -We just confirmed with Microsoft that another Sony claim -- that you need a memory unit or a hard drive to use the WiFi adapter -- is also false. You can grab a Core pack with no memory card and plug in a WiFi adapter and get on your home network. Sheez Sony, did we mention we moonlight as fact checkers?
Update: SCEA's own Dave Karraker, Senior Director of Corporate Communications, furnished the following response: "Through our comparison chart we are not implying that you must purchase the myriad of peripherals and add-ons that Microsoft offers to play your Xbox 360. You don't. However, if you want to attempt to come close to the performance of the $499 PlayStation 3 by using your Xbox 360, Core or Premium, you could only do that through expensive add-ons -- that is what our chart is demonstrating. Once you add it all up, it would cost you more than our $499 unit, and you would still not come close to everything we offer, ie: free multiplayer gaming, 50GB storage capacity of Blu-ray disc, Blu-ray disc player for games AND movies, processing power of the Cell Broadband Engine." We still think it's apples to oranges not comparing the Premium pack, and talking about "performance" since the Blu-ray drive doesn't help Sony's game experience so much as it helps their movie experience. It's not like they're discussing the Wii in this regard at all, so it's still skewed. Furtheremore, Sony had no apparent comment on the other factual inaccuracies. Ah well.
Hah, and Nintendo isn't an Asian company? F*cking n00bs.
HAHA
YOU ARE ALL FUCKING MS FANBOYS
YOU GAYS
MS TAKE YOUR MANY AND YOU SAY YEAH ITS GOOD:
SONY 1 PRICE
and You have ALL!!!
haa loosers
Sony cannot go any lower - they are the Jerry Springer of electronics.
Microsoft only charges for XBL becuase it costs alot of money to maintain servers like that. It is only fair and i think that the amount per month is a fair amount too.
hahahaa, sony is getting desperate.
yeah, but they forgot to mention that we already have 360s
sony are so gay sometimes, because they make things up
this is such a pile of garbage.
i hate you sony.
And i hate you Richard Vialoux !
If you dont like Sony then dont buy PS3, we will see where are you going to end!
This is when the announcer says...
"Swing and a miss"
Sony sux at life
Honestly Sony, are you TRYING to go bankrupt?
Hahaha, Sony is more evil than Microsoft. Who'da thunk it?
Not evil. Retarded.
Also note how they took the free Wii Browser until July promo and turned it into WFC is free for first 6 months
all they did is compare their cheapest model to microsoft's cheapest model...much like MS continues to talk about the fact that you can buy a 360 for $300 vs the $600 for the ps3 when in fact you can buy the $499 version of the ps3...it's just a matter of how you look at things
haha, complete 100% sony fanboy. honestly, this comparison chart is deceiving. if you honestly believe this is a fair comparison, you are a bit naive.
Bahahahahahaha
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Its funny because its true (ie. not lying).
Well, misleading, Maybe..
Really what they are comparing is the Base system from both and items to get both systems on the same playing field.. Therefor its not totally misleading..
Outa the box PS3 has Multiplayer.. 360, no, therefor the subscription..
Really it woulda been nice to see them use the Premium vs PS3 Basic.. Even then add the HD-DVD to give you HD movies, even then 360 is gunna be more as far as price..
Thats all I see outa this..
Something for MS to sue over.. I dont think so.. Sony didnt put the Mem-Card, or Remote in that list or the wireless adapter.. They just compared their low-end to MS's low-end..
Xbox LIve GOld is free for a month. Why didn't Sony include that little fact? Anyway, the PS3 is apparently not a game console according to Sony, so why don't they compare it to a PC? Oh wait, because PC's can do much more for much less, silly me!
requires users to buy is the reason to look in to a lawsuit None of that stuff is required to buy. You Sony fanboys should look at facts Sony is making a machine which is way over priced compaired to a 360.
The thing is that the price of the PS3 is good for a blueray player but not good for someone who just wants a game console - I like the choice idea with the XBox 360, as HDDVD isn't needed for games at the moment
Both PS3 and 360 should be available with a DVD drive or with a HD drive cause it sucks to pay for a feature you wont use (I have no money or intention of converting my DVD collection to HD anytime soon) and it sucks to have to use an ugly external drive if you do want the feature.
For those that want choice in getting a BlueRay or plain DVD in the PS3, your going to restrict everyone else. PS3 needs the storage space that BlueRay can provide, so BlueRay is not just for viewing "movies" but also essential for the games. If there was a choice, Sony would have to ensure that every game made "has" to fit on dvd and as such the machines life span would be much shorter!.
Well i see were this is taking a stab at being miss leading but at the same time i think Sony was simply saying that to get the 360 "basic" system the same level and the PS3 "basic" system you actaully end up spending more money... so... meh whatever if you not smart enough to read this sort of thing with a grain of salt you deserve to be mislead...
how is it deceiving if they just compare their cheapest version with MS's cheapest version? everybody is sooo quick to bash sony that they forget that most every other company would do the same thing, why would sony compare their cheap version with MS's top of the line version? it'd make no sense
Did you even bother to read the article? They are lying out of their fracking teeth pure and simple. Required my ass. Free for the first 6 months my ass. Sony is a cheap ass company pure and simple, and only extreme Sony fanbois will be the only idiots flocking to defend this retarded "fact" sheet.
The only reason sony is using the base ps3 and showing an un-economical version of the 360 (as in theyre showing core + HDD + wireless controller, instead of premium) is because it is a PRICE COMPARISON. Sony is trying to make the 360 more expensive...its really not that complicated.
For starters, they claim these things are required. They aren't remotely close to that.
Also, they use the PS3 as the base of the comparison. How much for a better GPU like the Xenos to be added to the PS3? How much to add rumble to the controllers? How much for as many demos and trailers etc as I could ever want on the PS Online Network? How much for the better developer support? How much for the headset that comes with the Premium? How much for the MU adapter for the low end PS3? How much for the HD cables for PS3 that are free with the Premium?
Add all of those in, and then MAYBE you can find a point where each console has equal feature sets from one end of the spectrum to the other. You don't see Microsoft making charts outlining the fact that PS3 "requires a $2500 Westinghouse HDTV for 1080p-via component input" to fully enjoy the games.
Sony doesn't make any distinction between what the goal is. Such and such "is required" to do this and that. But wtf is the 'this and that' part? Definitely not gaming as thsoe things aren't needed for gaming.
Basically they say customers need to buy all thsoe items on 360 if they were to meet or exceed all PS3's represented advantages while they make sure there are no comparisons representing how much it costs to make a PS3 meet 360's advantages.
If this doesn't fit your definition of misleading, you are a moron.
Show me a PC with a Blu-Ray drive, that can run games at the same quality for less than $600.
HaHaha. He got you there. Where would you ever find a Pc with a Built in Hard Drive that is less than $600? NOw where, So you just got Burn....
WAIT so SONY is saying wii is the only gaming consule
also there is a $400 360 that has wireless controller and 20gb hdd and i don't really need blue-ray yet not for 2-5 yrs when i can afford a hdtv and i don't know why microsoft still charges for live cuz everyone else has it free but maybe cuz its the best one out
sorry, but find a pc that can play a whole library of new games for years to come for only $500 or $600...now just go on, yeah...didn't think it was so easy, it's actually impossible without upgrading the graphics card about every year and a half
haha, fanboy!
Since when was the PS3's GPU upgradable? The RSX is weaker than the Nvidia cards coming up in the next few months. You fail.
Again, you presume to act as if this comparison was made to equalize the feature sets. The features on both platforms in this scenario posed by Sony are GREATLY favoring 360.
How much does it cost to play a game on 360? $340+tax. On PS3? $500+tax. If you want to compare both low end versions, you need a goal. In this case, the goal is to play a game.
In Sony's comparison, it seems to be whatever it takes to make the PS3 less pricey than the 360.
LoL...Will. You clearly don't play games on your PC.
Its Funny , Im a Xbox Fan Boy i supose since the 1'st xbox , even though i Pre ordered a PS3 basicly for the Blu Ray player and hdmi 1.3 for True Hd , and basicly i have been bashing Sony for the last year to all my Pro PS3 friends, Then i look up and i see my 3 day old $4,300 Sony 60" SXRD XBR2 (AMAZING TV !) and Across the room i see the 34" Widescreen Sony XBR910 Hdtv i bought 2 years ago .. So as much as i hate PS2/PS3 , i sure as hell love Sony Tv's to play X360 on : )
Looks like some intern put that table together in Excel as the car was pulling up to take the Sony Execs to the Press Event. Solid Sony. Solid.
Also, under Sony "chart" the xbox owner has 2 controlers, one wired and one wireless. they say they requires to buy a wireless controller, requires to, no you don't.
Sony should have compared the premiume xbox to their premiume PS3 and see how those stack up (they don't), and compare the premiume PS3 to the wii, which gives you everything in one damn box.
i'm the fanboy and you're the one trying to bash sony because you think you could find a pc cheaper than the ps3 that will do more...you sound like nothing more than a fanboy of another system, i've actually got a 360 and have no intentions of getting a ps3 until the price comes down. to say that this chart is full of lies is being very ignorant
I think the point is that the PS3 includes the harddrive and Blueray and xbox360 doesn't making it fair to compare it with the prices of hdd and hddvd included in the xbox price.
I'm not into the consoles but this looks quite obvious unless of course the whole point is to bash sony.
I am no fan boy but this story is being pedantic and childish. Any one with out an agenda can see the validity of the table.
In order for the other systems (XBOX 360 and Wii) to offer what the Sony PS3 claims to offer straight out of the box. These are the add-ons required to match the feature set of PS3, hence the rows. HD-DVD and Blu-ray are high definition medium to yes display hd movies and this is Sonys claim it can play HD movies right out of the box. If the prices stated are in fact correct, there is no deception.
Even though I stated I am not a fan boy I suspect I will be labelled this, but the reason for my argument is to make sympathisers of other consoles not seem petty when presenting arguments to PS3 fan boys. That is marketing a dirty business, if you can not emphasis your own strengths; exploit your competitors weaknesses.
There is some truth to this. Depending on your usage, a PlayStation 3 might end up being cheaper than an Xbox 360. Because online GAMEPLAY is $50 a year with Xbox 360 and free with the PS3, that will add $250 to the cost of the 360 over its lifespan if you intend to play online. Yes, it's paid over time, but it's something you still need to consider. There's also a $100 proprietary Wi-Fi adapter you need to invest in with the 360 (the profit margins for MS are INSANE, $100 for something that costs them in the single digits (probably $5 in bulk) Personally, I'd rather pay a fair price up front and not be nickeled and dimed for the next few years (or at least be nickeled and dimed less, game prices are way too high).
Wait, you need to buy the WiFi adapter now? Someone should have told me this earlier, maybe I'd win more games on live if I was playing wireless.
Notice how the comparison left out when the consoles will actually be released, the cost of games the number of consoles available at launch? Oh, because that would make Sony look bad?
Well, actually that sheet is true, they are not saying that you NEED any of those 360 gadgets to be able to play games on 360 they are saying that for the value, PS3 is superior
You get everything that Microsoft is selling for extra money in one self contained package for the PS3 and since it is a bulk package you save money, you would spend on average around 8-10 bucks more per gadget if you bought it separately
Not to mention the far superior hardware and power inside the ps3 and the lack of real quality exclusive games for 360, 2 extra GTA episodes and having to wait a few months for BioShock to come to PC is not going to make me want a 360, the only reason i might consider buying a 360 would be for Halo 3 and Gears of War but since Halo 2 was so lame compared to Halo 1 i am not so sure even that would make a difference
The Wii as far as i am concerned is a waste of money and will most likely flop after less than a year on the market because i dont see any worth while games on the horizon for it
In my opinion the PS3 is the best value because you get what you pay for, with the 360 you are basically paying around the same for lower quality (not to mention ugly) equipment and a lack luster games library
The only thing i can find better about the 360 hardware wise is the ammount of memory allocated for textures but when you look at a ps3 and 360 game side by side you will notice that the PS3 games are running fill AF and the 360 games do not, this make a huge difference in visual quality in my opinion
The PC will always be the best gaming platform because it is upgradable and fairly cheap to buy parts for
I don't need a wireless connection to go online. I don't need HD or blu ray because dvds are fine with me. I can care less about having a wireless controller. So why would I want to pay for that up front.
required you fools, it is not required the hard drive, or the hd dvd drive, is misleading, its trying to fool the new buyers, sony fanboys.
im still buying a ps3, i will not let this keep me from buying the best hardware for gaming, no way. neither will simpleton xbox fanboys.
Its funny how Sony used the more expensive version of the Xbox 360 for the example (the core is more expensive in the long run) .. for the $400 Premium Xbox 360 i get all of what they offer for $499 ... To me this says that Sony doesnt see the Wii as competitor at all. However, it is afraid of the Xbox 360
I think I would like to add some stuff to the PS3's required list.
PSP- $250
Blu-Ray remote- $25
High speed internet connection - $50
1080p TV- $2500
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$2825
That's because you're a moron.
Basically, Sony has in fact bent the facts. The Xbox 360 Core system is for those who only want to play games. The Premium system is basically there for those who want to play online. The Xbox 360 is for gaming. The PS3 is basically a personal computer with a locked OS. I'll go ahead and say the OS is not going to be good. In fact, I'll go ahead and say it is hardly an operating system by today's standards. I still do not understand why Sony says the PS3 is not a game console, yet advertises against other GAME CONSOLES. WTF SONY?
Oh ya, as for Xbox 360 exclusive titles, I'll be happy with Gears of War and Halo 3 (I'm an American that likes to kill things).
Xbox 360
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$399 Premium
$199 HD-DVD
$0 Remote Controller
$50 Wireless Zyxel P-330
$0 Media Extender
$0 Xbox Live headset
$0 High-definition AV cables
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$650
PS3
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$599 Premium
$0 Blu-Ray
$25 Remote Controller
$0 Wireless
$199 Media Extender
$20 HeadSet
$15 High-definition AV cables
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$860
lynn, if you're going to include a stupid media extender to sway the price into the 360's favor why not add something that every ps3 owner will be able to do out of the box for free...online play, so lets add $250 to the 360 and see which one has the better price now
Right on, Lynn!
I love how all of the Sony fanboys say that the online component is completely free when NO games are released yet. We still don't know if greedy companies like EA will charge $5/mo to play each game. So if I have to play $5/mo to play Madden, if any other game comes out and needs a subsrciption, that's my year of Xbox Live!. Also, who will maintain this free service? As has been mentioned before, it's hard to ban someone who can simply create another free account. Let's wait until the system is released, people. Geez.
So you add in a second wireless controller for the Xbox Premium (I believe it comes with one), why don't you add the price of a second wireless controller for the PS3 Premium?
And perhaps the yearly fee is understandable to add into the price of the Xbox, though, it is a yearly fee so the cost of a dollar changes the current value. Plus, after a year or so someone may choose to cancel depending how much they play online. I'd say it's worth adding an extra $100-150 for Xbox live.
I'm not a fanboy of either of these companies, I just like a level playing field.
Just scratch the HD-DVD because all i want to do is play GAMES not DVDs. They had to add the Blu-Ray into the PS3 because with out it, its a Shiny hunk of expensive plasic.
360 premium doesnt cost $399 anymore. If you look at all the stores(cept for eb games/gamestop---> idiots), a BUNDLE(with wireless controler, games, headset, and gold membership) cost about $350. the highest I saw ANYWHERE( gamestop) was $400.
LOL; I posted this long ago when the billboard dissing sony went up at Joystiq and the 360 fanboys went nutz!!!!!
Choice - a 299.00 system with NO HARD DRIVE and No Xbox 1 gameplay!!!! (requires memory unit or hard drive and xbox live gold)
Choice - 299.00 system plus a 200.00 HD-DVD drive brings you to 499.00 and still there is no Hard Drive and no xbox 1 playback capability. Sooooooo.............
Choice - 399.00 pro system (requires wired connection to get online) plus 200.00 HD-DVD drive brings you to 599.00 which leaves you with no wireless capability AND is the price of the STOCK PS3; wireless included and 3x the hard drive memory (60GB)
Choice - 299.00 360 core system = Useless ( you still need the 40.00 proprietary memory card to play online) that's 340.00; 440.00 if you want wireless capability and 540.00 if you want to add a 20 gig hard drive. This is 40.00 more than the PS3 core unit and only 60.00 less than the stock PS3 unit. Add another 200 for HD-DVD and that brings you to 740!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Choice - 399.00 360 pro system; + 200.00 (599.00)
Still No HDMI; 3x less HD space and you still are in NEED of a 100.00 choice to play your games wirelessly now bringing the price of the 360 to 699.00
Choice?!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!??!?
Sony is telling the truth; they're trying to; they are giving Sony more credit than they deserve when it comes to real comparisons!!!!!
Correction:
Sony is giving Microsoft more credit than they deserve when it comes to real world comparisons between the two systems
I think that the $499 is the price of the ps3 in japan, the selling price elsewhere will start at $599. Also, notice how sony compared they're ore system in japan price to the core system of the xbox, which means that the premium system for xbox is cheaper than the core system for ps3. Another thing is that they list online access for free for ps3, and say that you have to get the gold membership to get online with the 360 which is garbage. You can get online completely free and download everything you can with the gold membership for free. It's just gameplay online at a price. Sony has to charge for gameplay, it would be dumb of them not too, or I guess just charging everyone in the states an extra $200 gives them the equivelent to 4 years of gold membership for xbox live. Another thing that someone else mentioned is you only need the hd dvd drive to play movies in hd, the gaming capabilities are built into the 360 as is. The last thing is I would like to say that I am not biased either way, I own just about every game console system ever made and will eventually get a ps3, but it will be for the blue ray, not because sony compares the cheapest price for they're system (in japan) with the price for the xbox 360 core system. The core system was made for people who just run game disc and use mem cards to save they're games, or for first time gamers, and the premium system was made for hard core gamers, or kids who have money to burn. I am a hardcore gamer and waited in line on launch to get the 360. I will not be waiting for the ps3.
You sir are a dumbass. Streaming media and playing games over 802.11g is not a smart move at all. First interference can cause excessive packet loss and caose a bad connection. Second the premium Xbox 360 is 400 USD which you add 200 USD to, if you want the high def drive, and then ift costs 600 USD which is the same as a Premium PS3. But, THIS IS A GAME CONSOLE NOT A COMPUTER, thus it would be best to buy a standalone BluRay or HDDVD drive if you want to watch them since in this scenario a standalone drive would have better features.
I guess people forgot that the wireless adapter need a driver. Where is the driver stores? On the hard drive of course. Xbox Live data has to be saved (avatar, etc.) somewhere. If you don't have a hard drive, where would it be saved?
Please people try to think rationally through the Xbox 360 process. I have one, but I'm not a fanboi. I will not blindly defend things. Neither should you
hahaha sony is doing what microsoft does best, what the hell are the thinking?!
GET A FUC*ING LIFE SONY.... I DONT NEED NOR DO I WANT HDDVD OR BLURAY... So you know what i can get started playing GAMES for less with the 360!
Heres the FACT! its supposed to be a PLAYstation but sony seems to have forgot that their name is even P L A Y station... yet somehow there only way to make a point is to force their crappy betaray on consumers, when if past tells us anything sony is 0/5 in media launches lasting, and will hddvd media outselling at 11 to 1 i'd say hddvd looks like the winner so far NOT bluray, sony can take their betaray and shove it.
Hey if you dont want one then dont bitch chris. You shove it whiny little bitch.
There are some really foolish people on this site. Granted, Sony's use of the word "required" is spin at best and blatant dysinformation at worst, but the facts of the comparison remain entirely true: for an HD-content Xbox 360, you pay more than you do for an HD-content PS3. And the PS3 sports more advanced technology. So you can deride and hate on Sony all you want, but their so-called overpriced console doesn't appear to be so pricey when compared to the 360 (of course, the Wii is the true economy system, even if it is the only one that is TRULY overpriced).
your like the tenth person to say, "well it's more adevanced technology!"
how bout you show me the specs and how things work before you drop that next time.
Anthony: Wow acording to you I didn't relize a wireless controller,wireless adapter or hd was "required" to play HD games. I'm just sitting here amazaded at how the sony and there fanboys continue to want to justify there over priced console. This just shows how desperate they really are. Just launch you "better and more powerful" console and shut up. Do they really feel that scared that they need to start with the missleading comparisons? If you as a gamer,parent or child can afford or convince the finance commity to spend 600 bucks in one shot then more power to you. This might be a shock you sony and the fan boy but that are plenty of people who could care less of blueray,hd-dvd,wireless adapters/controllers etc. They just want to play games and can't justify paying a premium for stuff they don't want or need. People have a much easier time justifying a slightly higher price on there time frame instead of a large sum up front on.
P.S. Sony left out a couple little tidbits. You won't get a remote nor will you get hd cables. Not to mention there core model is not upgradable to the premium as the xbox core can be.
Well it is misleading, and not. I'll say first that I am a 360 fanboy. So the chart is correct if you want to do everything you can do with a PS3 out-of-the-box. But MS set up their skews like this for a reason, so people could have choice. As I read in the comments already, people are saying I don't want a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player yet, or I don't need a HDD just yet. This is why MS will win most of the new gamers, they don't to buy something so expensive that they won't even use to it's full potiential. So if you just want to compare price striaght up for 360 vs. PS3 (premium systems) then MS wins no doubt. And the way they set-up their chart is for hardcore gamers who want everything they can get their hands on for their console, and if they did it for these people with premium 360 wins.
A little bit off note, I love how at school me and another friend (also has 360) are talking about some game, and some one says "what game are you talking about?" Oh Dead Rising, only on 360, you have one? "No, I am waiting for PS3 its gonna be way better." Inside I am laughing, all these people who just say 'It's gonna be better'. So I ask him, how is it gonna be better? "well it is gonna have more capabilities; better sound, better graphics, better games, and better online..." thats where I draw the line, dude it most deffinatly does not have better online. "Yeah it's free" Ok well buddy have you ever played Xbox Live on 360? "No but it isn't that good." Ok sure, and so how are the graphics better, how do you know this? "Yeah Sony says they have true HD." HAHAHAHA, do you even know what they mean, they use HDMI for 1080p game and movies, which has a slower transfer rate than VGA anyways, and 360 will support 1080p in the fall update through component and VGA. and how many game are going to be in 1080p from Sony? like two of their first party games? and just because it's 1080p certainly doens't mean its better graphics. Graphics are made up of three parts (I forget them, I just heard an interview on Major Nelson's latest podcasts), and 720p and 1080i are better unless your playing chess, becuase when you use 1080p you use more of the lighing effects(and smoke effects, fancy graphic stuff like that) and two other things about graphics that the other one also goes down, while just bringing up the pure resolution, doing nothing becuase you have lost both of the other elemts of what makes the graphics good. That's why Gears of War looks amazing running at 720p becuase they have balanced all properties of the graphics. By this point the kid is so lost he won't even argue the other points he made, sound? games? out well sound is the dumbest thing I have ever heard to argue about consoles, and games is a prefence in the content department, even thought the third party games are looking much beter on 360 becuase developers have been able to work with the 360 for an entire year more than the PS3, and Sony has the worst first party games, while MS has Halo, ofcourse, GoW, Lost Planet, Too Human, Mass Effect, Viva Pinata, Forza, PGR and the list goes on...(oh yeah Fuzion Frenzy!!!!). So then he is just liek "yeah what ever PS3 is bigger and better (a.k.a. 'I don't know what I am talking about'), I will just get one for x-mas and then we will see whats what." Ok sure good luck, he thinks he will be able to get one! AHAHHAHAHAH. He didn't even know that the controller was motion sensative!
This is so typical of all PS3 fanboys. If any TRUE PS3 fanboys would like to respond who actually know what they are saying (and if you knew what you were saying, a.k.a. the facts, then you wouldn't be a PS3 fanboy.) please go ahead. I would like to hear the prospective of an informed PS3 fanboy.
Microsoft has the worst first-party games. Sorry, but every true gamer knows that Halo and its successors are the most grossly overrated games on the market. Of course, Nintendo has the best first-party by far, and that will never change (unless Nintendo decides to make themself third party, which I hope never happens). According to comparisons, the 360 and the PS3 have visually equal graphics, with the PS3 outshining the 360 only upon scrutinous review. However, what's important here is that the PS3 has the capacity for far better graphics. 3 years from now, the 360 will have most likely reached its technological limit, while the PS3 will just be realizing it's technological prime. The Wii - well, sadly, I fear that the entertainment value will only carry the Wii for so long - it will be the first console to bite the next-gen dust. As for sound, that is a pointless argument. Both the 360 and PS3 support digital audio out - only a true and psychoatic audiophile would actually care about the sound differences, if any. At the end of the day, however, the PS3 has far more potential - and that is why it is the best investment of the next-gen consoles.
Sony has just gone lower than it possibly could have. A wireless ocntroller is not nescessary to play 360. with the core you gt a free wired one. And all the above features are cheaper with a premimum 360 so then u just need to tbuy the hddvd drive if you want. you don't have to by the hddvd drive. Stop pushing blueray as standard. As another guy said it is a good price for a blue ray player but not for a gaming console until in 3-4 years hen blueray/hddvd battle is over, but by then they will be realsing a ps4 and xbox 3 so it doesn't matter abt the drive anyways
I love the "red squigglies". They didn't even bother to add those words to their dictionary so they'd have a professional looking document. GG, Sony.
Zorque you dork:
The file released was a Word file. The dictionary on the Engadget system would make the difference.
Zorque you dork:
The file released was a Word file. The dictionary on the Engadget system would make the difference.
Where did this fact sheet come from originally? All I see is a download from engadget.com for the fact sheet. For all I know, this could be a made up.
The other link provided redirects me to the Sony annoucement but it mentions nothing about a factsheet. Can someone send me link to where else this fact sheet is posted, I have yet to find it elsewhere.
Hey sony, you forgot something. Won't I need to buy an HDMI cable and an HD capable TV? Doesn't that make the PS3 like... $5000?
$5000 come on. You can probably pick up an HDTV for $2000, though it'll be hard to view a four person game on it. Haha :o)
Well, Engadget railing on Sony. (YAWN) Just another day it seems.
They are talking about TO BE EQUIVALENT TO A PS3! Apparently Ryan Block does not see this most obvious fact, and just rails against the PS3 because of it.
I'm really sick of this PS3 and Sony bashing. Every time anyone on the Sony side of things takes a crap, Engadget pounces. When will this idiocy end, Engadget?
Kev50027 and Jason,
"Whats wrong Engadget?" -- I too am really disappointed with Engadget these days.
It used to be a great website whose birthday is celebrated by many people and special birthday cakes. But recently they've become a cheap tabloid. I can understand their shortcomings in gadget knowledge and publishing years-old "news", but what constructive value do the series of bashing entries provide to us readers?
Engadget, I will say this because I'm a fan of yours: Please put more focus on quality. If you can't resist bashing and once or twice isn't enough, perhaps make a separate blog "Engadget much ado about nothing" and do it over there?
This is the kind of thing that makes hate Sony even more than i already do. It's rediculous the kinds of things a company like Sony will do to try and make there company seem SOOO much better than their competitors. This post has caused me to be flabbergasted. I HATE SONY!!!
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I think that we all need to get along. You will buy what you want to buy and that is how it is. I wish all the Microsoft lovers, Nintendo lovers, and PS lovers could shut up and think about it all. The systems are all very different in there exclusive titles through there life cycle. I think that you should buy the one you like and shut up. Besides if you are a real gamer it is likely you will like at least one game from all of them. I personally stuck it out to get the PS3 and it is worth the money if you want the Blu-Ray and Wireless all. I do like the 360 but my favorite games I have ever played are ICO, Shadow of Colossus, and Ratchet and Clank all Sony games. This is why I am getting it.
If the Xbox 360s GPU is better than the PS3, how in the world does you logic work? With the 360 being just as upgradable as the PS3 how does the PS3 have more potential? I am sorry but your logic is backwards and very illogical.
Whats wrong Engadget? Did your kickback check from Sony bounce. You guys are there to tell us about new stuff and not to Sony bash at every turn. Yes, we get it, they fucked up with the battery situation. We know, the PS3 will be expensive. We understand that you hate Sony. We understand that the biggest kickback check came from Apple. We understand that the kickback check from Microsoft and Nintendo cleared. Can we be done with this bull?
Clearly Sony is making a price comparison of systems and they are not saying that you must go out and buy those additional items. What they are saying is that to make a fair comparison you have to have those additional things. Only an idiot would think that Sony was saying you must rush out and buy these things to make your 360 work.
You guys have used so many posts to bash the pricing of the PS3 so Sony tries to clear it up for those of weaker mind by actually leveling the playing field and again you turn it into some evil plot.
If I want a PS3 I will buy one regardless of the childish Engadget comments. If I want a 360 I will buy one. And, if I want a Wii I will also buy one of those. Your job is to tell us about the stuff and give useful information, not to bash Sony because you find the PS3 too expensive.
they are cleary just saying that Sony decives their simple customers, do you think the majority of people who buy consoles can even get down into the arguements that we can?
"preparing certain legal action"? Yeah right. I'll bet you a PS3 or xbox 360 + hd dvd addon that MS doesn't sue Sony over this, Ryan. Your choice.
Anthony: "for an HD-content Xbox 360, you pay more than you do for an HD-content PS3. And the PS3 sports more advanced technology. "
Ya but for a GAME CONSOLE, which is what we are supposed to be buying this for the 360 is alot cheaper than the ps3... when did console gaming become about bluray and hddvd.
And more advanced? Really thats why all the games look the same or worse than the 360? Games with the same dev time between the 360 and ps3 (like COD3) the 360 comes away looking better... think its just that game? No, just look at fu*king assassin's creed, the crowd ai is more advanced on the 360 version amungst other things.
Whats gonna be the big woohoo? Resistence because it has 40 players online? Well huxley can handle 5000 players online simultaneously in a single fps world... Stop being lame.
SONY FANBOYS: if you want a movie player with a format that will most likely fail like all the companys past medias, betamax, sacd, minidisk, umd, and pretty much besides sony memorystick (duo) as well... WE WANT A GAME CONSOLE! And if you do want a movie player, Bluray's just an overpriced bound to be failure for movies. It's gonna end up going the same way as the wonderful UMD that was supposed to revolutionary media "UNIVERSAL MEDIA DISK" yet only the psp used it LOL give me a break!
Nice job explaining everything (no sarcasm intended). There is one thing that caught my eye. MemoryStick is also a failing product. Think about it. Only Sony and about 3 other companies use MemoryStick. The others use mainly SD and it's variants. And the only products that actually use it are video cameras, the PSP, and picture printers.
I don't have either and probably won't buy either, but even I can see that they are only saying you need to buy those things to bring the specs up to a comparable level. Why is that so hard to understand, or was the original article just meant to fan the flames..?
It's like saying Apple computers are more expensive than Dells becuase Dell sells one for $329 and Apple sells one for $599. Until you level the specs, there's no point doing the comparison.
Now, Sony (and Microsoft) may or may not truly level the playing field, but that's marketing. I'm sure they both try to say their system is cheaper. If you can't look at the specs for yourself and decide which is the one you want / need, then you're just the kind of consumer they're looking for. Of course, the price of the console really doesn't matter, it's the price of the games that's going to bleed you dry..!
perhaps one of the specs for most hard working people is to just play games, maybe play online, and if a little extra cash flows their way to grab a wireless controller.
a gaming system should be about gaming and not shilling out hundreds of dollars for extra stuff you won't use or are just paying for initial release (blu-ray or hd dvds) or higher costing games.
and about these higher costing games, how much more expensive is it to rebrand a freaking sports title every year, or recreate a driving simulator, or recreate a first person shooter, especially once you add into Coke, ReMax, Colgate, etc. paying for advertisements to be placed in the games. If anything any remake, sequel, or advert-ladel game should be cheaper.
This is starting to look a little less "believable." If Sony was to truly release a fact-sheet such as this, why wouldn't it be all over the internet. Why is it I can only find it on this website?
In addition, the fact-sheet title is spelled wrong. It reads "NEXT-GENERATION CONSOLE COMPARSION." Umm..."comparison"? To me, this seems like a fake to further the Sony/PS3 bashing...
It's on their press site, which is behind login. If you really think we'd put our entire reputation on the line to libel Sony -- which would be in its right to sue us into oblivion -- then I don't even know what to tell you.
Choice - a 299.00 system with NO HARD DRIVE and No Xbox 1 gameplay!!!! (requires memory unit or hard drive and xbox live gold)
Choice - 299.00 system plus a 200.00 HD-DVD drive brings you to 499.00 and still there is no Hard Drive and no xbox 1 playback capability. Sooooooo.............
Choice - 399.00 pro system (requires wired connection to get online) plus 200.00 HD-DVD drive brings you to 599.00 which leaves you with no wireless capability AND is the price of the STOCK PS3; wireless included and 3x the hard drive memory (60GB)
Choice - 299.00 360 core system = Useless ( you still need the 40.00 proprietary memory card to play online) that's 340.00; 440.00 if you want wireless capability and 540.00 if you want to add a 20 gig hard drive. This is 40.00 more than the PS3 core unit and only 60.00 less than the stock PS3 unit. Add another 200 for HD-DVD and that brings you to 740!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good Point Anthony!!!!!!
The Truth:
Choice - 399.00 360 pro system; + 200.00 (599.00)
Still No HDMI; 3x less HD space and you still are in NEED of a 100.00 choice to play your games wirelessly now bringing the price of the 360 to 699.00
Choice?!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!??!?
With the PS3 you will NOT be able to text or voice chat during gameplay. Also, games will not have achievements. How is that better than Live?
All your music, video and pictures will need to be stored on the PS3 HDD. Why? The PS3 CAN NOT stream media from your PC.
Well you're really ignorant tonight, aren't you? Look up the specs yourself. Go get a Graduate Degree in Information Systems. Then you can come back and drop whatever you want. In the meantime, keep your witless and uninformed comments to yourself. At least I offered an argument - you, well, you did nothing. You took up space. Congratulations.
Misleading? Just a little bit. Sony should have included a foot note stating that the 360 HD DVD drive is only required to play Hi Def movies compared to the PS3 which has the feature out-of-the box and the Wii is not even supporting Hi Def movie playback.
Otherwise its a base system vs base system comparison.
BTW anyone who would make a buying decision based off a comparison "fact" sheet done by Sony should be shot. I dont even see the need to have published this post other than cuz some one was pissed off that Sony was just "playing the game." The very pundits and affiliates of such that coin-ed the term "Console Wars" should not be so surprised when a few sniper shots are taken.
BTW I own a 360 premium system and think its a great system. I also plan on getting a PS3 (hopefully).
ok i cant wait anylonger i work and i can pay for it so gimmie my ps3 and the price of gasoline who cares !!
I smell fear.
I also sense a level of crappiness to come from Sony with such comparison tactics... Oh ya, I also get to play my 360 now. In fact, I have played my 360 for almost a year now. Oh wow its so great being able to actually play the console we are comparing to the PS3.
i didn't say it was better than live did I? nope, stop assuming things and read what i actually said...which just so happened to dismantle you're lame post
Who says there's no voice or text chat over online gaming(in-game)? It's already on the PS2 online, why would it be removed?