[David W. @ Oct 23rd 2007 12:41AM]

so...are they the real games or demos?

[Namarrgon @ Oct 23rd 2007 12:58AM]

Real, full versions, NOT demos.

http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2007/10/22/officially-announcing-the-xbox-360-arcade-finally.aspx

[azayzel @ Oct 23rd 2007 1:31AM]

Demo or not, the games packed with this version totally suck monkey balls! Who actually still plays Pacman in this day and age? That game and the others belong back in the retro scene from 25 years ago. Three of the games belong in the PDA market, not sure how they were ever pitched to M$ and picked up, we've been playing them for $10 on PDA's for the past 5 years. The only decently fun game is UNO, and that's only because of multi-player.

As to not being backward compatible, that's the same underhanded trick $ony pulled with their latest PS3 40GB model. What scammers! Hmm, pay $50 less and you'll need to buy a PS2 or original XBox if you want to play the hundreds of titles that are already available (not to mention lose the rack space for the extra system). They're being nothing but money whores.

[Namarrgon @ Oct 23rd 2007 1:54AM]

They're cheap extras, bundled at the minimum price point. If you want better games, you can buy them.

And unlike the 40GB PS3, if you want B/C later on, you can add a hard drive and get it. Choice, you know?

[gadgetdevil @ Oct 28th 2007 4:49PM]

Choice? Because not everyone has a hard drive, developers can't make games that use a hard drive.

The same thing happens with the DVD, if they put in HD-DVD into every console from the start, then they could make games that could go up to 30GB. But the 360 was rushed to the market before that could happen.