[Eric @ Aug 24th 2007 1:34AM]

I'm sorry...but can Microsoft ever do anything right? Does anything they design or build just work right out of the box? Ever? No..whether its the Zune (software set-up?), Vista, 360 (steering wheel issue, heat issue, scratch disk, etc)..there is always some problem that Microsoft doesn't address and doesn't care about. That is until enough people start talking about it..then maybe...just maybe...there is a response. Oh..one more thing...god forbid their customer service be worth anything. That's it..done.

[Miles @ Aug 24th 2007 5:05AM]

Ever use their Mice, Keyboards, Mics, etc?
They are pretty damn good. Sometimes even better than Logitec's stuff.
Also last I heard the 360 controller is regarded as one of the best controllers, if the the best controller ever for gaming. I don't remember the Pippin controller making any lists or anything.

Of course Apple is so godly they can throw a Laptop keyboard, hocky puck, or broke "two button" mice in with their computers with everyone calling it a revolution in computing and a break away from "the man"

I sometimes feel horrible knowing that I use OS X. It seems like every other Mac user out there has to lick Job's ass and bash every other company for no apparent reason.

I'll admit that Microsoft needs some work on their software. And they need a lot of work on the 360 (43% death rate IIRC. That's bullshit on their part), but I don't see how they always do things wrong.

[Miker @ Aug 24th 2007 5:36AM]

Rock on Miles! Well said. Not bad on your part either Eric, maybe the two of you should conspire together and we will all get a company where they produce good hardware without any ass licking anywhere. :p

[Geimkisi @ Aug 24th 2007 6:22AM]

Miles..
"Ever use their Mice, Keyboards, Mics, etc?"
Yes I have. I bought a Microsoft mouse once. In less than 2 months it was broken..

[Jeff @ Aug 24th 2007 7:51AM]

Yeah, I *really* don't get the love some people show for MS keyboards and mice. Have you guys ever even used anything else? Logitech doesn't count - you're comparing junk with junk.

Compare an MS keyboard to an older IBM or Northgate keyboard, or any of the several manufacturers still making copies. You know, keyboards used to be $300 peripherals and there was a good reason for that. You can't build a decent keyboard for $50, even today. MS keyboards may be decent compared to other keyboards in their class, but in both an absolute sense and compared to a really *good* keyboard, they're cheap rubber dome junk.

Mice have received more real advancements in technology over the years, but I have had more problems with the scroll wheels on my MS mice than any other brand I've used. I now have a (surprise) IBM Navigator Pro that I've been using for about 5 years and it has never let me down. And it's an optical 4-button mouse (with an LED-backlit scroll-wheel!), so it's not like I'm just stuck in the past.

MS is like the Chevrolet of hardware manufacturers. Yeah, if you're gonna compare their stuff to a Yugo, then sure, it's better. But that doesn't mean it's "good" hardware in an absolute sense.

[mattclarkie @ Aug 24th 2007 11:04AM]

I have been using my Logitech Wireless keyboard for 4 years now and it is a good as the day I bought it, and the keys are responsive, nice travel, feel sturdy and the wireless signal is instantaneous. In fact it is the only keyboard I have used that is comfortable to type on.

Logitech mice are also great, the only letdown is the recharchable batteries in newer models can't be replaced.

So before you start calling a keyboard junk just because is doesn't cost hundreds of dollars, answer me how much does it cost to mould some plastic and soulder some wires. As long as it is well designed and manufactured to a high degree, and works fine, which Logitech products do, then I don't care how little it costs.

[Miles @ Aug 24th 2007 4:40PM]

I use a Model M and if it built extremely well.

But for current hardware I still find Logitec and Microsoft to be on top.

They actually make rubber dome keyboards that I can type on.

I use a G7 and it's the best mouse I've ever used.

Hasn't broke yet.

On my grandfathers computer he has a Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 or something, and it's pretty damn comfy.

But this all boils down to personal opinion. So, to each his own I guess.

[Bobs @ Aug 27th 2007 12:52AM]

Why the hell do you need a backlight scroll wheel?
. I now sit at home with the brand you call "crappy", logitech, and im happy whare im at, the keyboard ive got (G15, yes, I actually make full use of the G keys and LCD), and i freakin love my G5 (middle click is the second most important button in 3DS, or even sketchup, it controlls your view, my side button is maped to it, so the left/right scroll tilt is no issue, try it some time). ive put this setup through intense gaming, and it hasnt failed at all, my G5 has all the paint worn off the bottom (logitech was happy to ship a new one, yay), and my keyboard had a deadly encouter with an old 1.4Gb IDE 1995 harddrive that knocked a key out and scratched off enough plastic for light to shine through, Logitech was happy to replace the entire board, Logitech has replaced many things for me with little questioning, almost to the point whare i feel they actually cared about me, but still my money (dented cones in X530 cheep-ass 5.1, shipped out 2 brand new ones no questions asked, nothing shiped back, what a happy event). Ive had other crappy keyboards, like the prepackaged Mouse and keyboard that came with my HP a735w, mouse stoped responding, and i had to switch to a crappy cheep Dynex $5 optical, man was that a fun experiance, my mouse would glitch every now and then and spin my view around in circles, was freakin hilarous when i was in a tank. optical isnt very good tech, get a laser mouse, and ditch the mousepad, thats quality, my G5 works on freakin glass tables, carpet, and kitchen tile, its laptop friendly :)