Black on black: Xbox 360 Elite vs PS3, which is more 1337?

Mirror, mirror on the wall, which black high def console is the 1337est of them all? We know some people were bummed that the Xbox 360 didn't get to compete in the 2006 Engadget Awards with the PS3 and Wii (hey, it was launched in 2005!), but now's your chance to square off the two most expensive game consoles around. So who's gonna take it, Sony's piano black PlayStation 3, or Microsoft's matte black Xbox 360 Elite?

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[Vilhelm @ Apr 26th 2007 3:56PM]

-Jon Graft-

Try not to be so ignorant next time you write down your thoughts. More people will pay attention to you.

[clem13 @ Apr 26th 2007 2:31PM]

I dislike both, but out of the two, it has to be the PS3.

[nicky @ Apr 26th 2007 8:44PM]

I don't see what the big deal is with the Elite. All it has is a bigger hd. And its graphics may finally be able to keep up with the ps3s. Does anyone know what the cost is going to be???

[Subzero_Logic @ Apr 30th 2007 11:52PM]

With wifi, blue tooth and hd player build in $599 package? the ps3 is a sweet machine, if you buy a $479 360 leet and $89 usb wifi adapter you will pay $568 and still not get hd movies or fork over 199 more for the hd player! so if their is no nd player are your games really in hi def? Nope just look better then xbox but wait this one is BLACK! then got to pay more per year if you want exclusive and early access to content, TrueSkill matchmaking, and even more a.k.a gold member online? but this one is black and has a weak hdmi that may or maynot work! 1337 thats easy it ps3!

[Bada_bing4u @ Nov 30th 2007 3:36PM]

I never post anything on the sites but you guys are killing me...
I really do think both systems are great and think you guys need to get a tech clue!
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

[Wolfticket @ Apr 26th 2007 2:33PM]

They are both hideous.

[Silver R. Wolfe @ Apr 26th 2007 2:34PM]

Considering that the PS3 is still the more technically impressive of the two, it gets the nod. Plus the shiny beats the matte.

[ph @ Apr 26th 2007 2:43PM]

"Considering that the PS3 is still the more technically impressive of the two, it gets the nod. Plus the shiny beats the matte."


Actually, many people consider the xbox 360s processor to be superior to the PS3, as well as the fact that the xbox has dedicated video ram.

[Robert @ Jul 11th 2007 2:07PM]

PH - "Actually, many people consider the xbox 360s processor to be superior to the PS3, as well as the fact that the xbox has dedicated video ram."

Actually the ps3 had dedicated ram and the Xbox uses shared video. So far the Xbox 360 is only just matching the first gen games of the PS3. What does that say to you? And most programmers are just learning the ins and outs of the cell processor still. Read a bit first dude.

[Andune @ Apr 26th 2007 2:41PM]

Only me who think that the PS3 look really uggly in that picture?

[Shadyman @ Apr 26th 2007 2:42PM]

It's at a bad angle.

[Will @ Apr 26th 2007 3:18PM]

The ps3 may have a slight technical edge on the 360 but games look practically identical on both systems. Also the 360 costs a decent amount less. I give the nod to the 360 cause its games are better and there’s a lot more of them along with costing less money.

[David Lukaczer @ Apr 26th 2007 7:16PM]

You are soo correct! It looks hidius in this bad photo.

[Silver R. Wolfe @ Apr 26th 2007 2:49PM]

Except the PS3 does have the Cell CPU which is undeniably a very powerful and state-of-the-art processor.

Don't forget Blu-Ray either. While not a necessarily liked feature, it is quite a lot more |337 than the standard DVD drive in the Elite.

[Hardtohit @ Apr 26th 2007 8:40PM]

To PH ...Would these "many People" be retarded?

[BrokenDesign @ Apr 26th 2007 3:47PM]

@ ph: You've got it backwards, the PS3 has the RSX graphics card in it with 256mb of VRAM, whereas the 360 has 512mb of RAM that's being shared by both the processor and the on-board graphics chips. Not to mention the fact that each core of the Cell processor has a small amount of RAM that it can use. Technically, the PS3 has a much better chance of delivering better performance, it's up to the developers to deliver on the promise. If Sony provides good documentation then we could see the PS3 coming out with games that kick the crap out of 360 games within the next year or two. Especially if they release a revised version of the PS3 that has a faster Blu-Ray drive in it, allowing for much faster transfer speeds and shorter load times without game content installation to the hard drive.

[coppi6976 @ Apr 27th 2007 8:04AM]

Wrong!!360 has shared ram, ps3 has specific video ram

[ThePunisher @ Apr 26th 2007 6:12PM]

The PS3 has the same amount of 'video' RAM as the 360, it has 256mb GDDR3 RAM I believe, and 256mb XDR RAM, and XDR owns in RAM terms.

[myscrnnm @ Apr 26th 2007 5:55PM]

"Actually, many people consider the xbox 360s processor to be superior to the PS3, as well as the fact that the xbox has dedicated video ram."

That's not true at all. This isn't an opinion thing, it's either fact or fiction. And it's a fact that the PlayStation 3 is a technologically superior machine compared to the Xbox 360. Both the Xenon and CBEA are based on the POWER architecture. The Cell's PPE alone is already one-third of the Xenon's total power, and then you've got the seven SPEs. And based on calculations, the Cell is around twice as powerful as the Xenon, doing more than 2 TFLOPS.

Also, the PlayStation 3 actually DOES have dedicated VRAM. The Xbox 360 is actually the one that has to ALWAYS share RAM. The Xbox 360 relies on 512MB of GDDR3 RAM for all its memory. On the other hand, the PlayStation 3 uses 256MB of XDR DRAM and and 256MB of GDDR3 RAM, used by the Cell and RSX respectively. However, each of the processors can also access each other's RAM as needed.

Overall, the PlayStation 3 is indeed more 1337. The Xbox 360 Elite may be elite by Xbox standards, but it pales in comparison to the PlayStation 3. The PlayStation 3 has newer HDMI, internal Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.0, superior processor, next-generation optical storage, internal memory card readers, et cetera.

The piano black colour suits the PlayStation 3 better than the matte black suits the Xbox 360. And the PlayStation 3 has the most kickass games (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Final Fantasy XIII, Gran Turismo 5, et cetera).

[tim @ Apr 26th 2007 7:29PM]

The PS3 has 256MB of XDR clocked at 3.2Ghz and 256MB of GDDR3 clocked at 550Mhz, the GDDR3 is dedicated to the graphics card, but the graphics card can also access the XDR via a 1.3Ghz bus. So the PS3 has both dedicated and shared graphics memory. The 360 has 512MB of shared GDDR3 clocked at 700Mhz. The 360's video chip also has an internal 10MB eDram buffer for doing graphical tricks (free FSAA for example) but it is not "graphics memory" in the traditional sense. The bandwidth of the PS3's main memory is about twice that of the 360's (51GB/s vs 22GB/s). In terms of raw power, the PS3 is far ahead of the 360, and that is a fact plain and simple.

[Jmoravetz @ Apr 27th 2007 8:23PM]

Accually, the Xbox 360 is the one WITHOUT the dedicated video RAM. The PS3 has 256 video, and 256 generic. The xbox just uses 512 for everything.

[Manny151 @ Apr 30th 2007 1:29PM]

No numnuts the 360 gpu is just alittle better than the PS3's and the RSX can acces either section of RAM as needed so technically they have the same amount of RAM. The cell processor is a whole terflop faster than the 360's processor which more than makes up for the RSX's shortcommings.

[badz @ Apr 30th 2007 8:14PM]

well some people feel that leaving the toilet seat up is improper while others dont.

tell M$ to put folding@home on a 360 and get back to me

[Mark @ Apr 26th 2007 2:45PM]

The xbox 360 looks like an old dell desktop.

[fitinferno @ Apr 26th 2007 3:09PM]

Hahaha, this is EXACTLY what I thought when I saw it. http://www.pcrent.co.kr/shop/upload/goods/a93437_dell-gx280.jpg

[Mark @ Apr 26th 2007 4:25PM]

THANK YOU! HAHA. You are the best fitinferno.

[Edaws @ Sep 27th 2007 12:29PM]

Your right! im staring at one in my office and it looks just like a Dell computer.

[ph @ Apr 26th 2007 3:01PM]

"Except the PS3 does have the Cell CPU which is undeniably a very powerful and state-of-the-art processor."

Except that the cell processor is not as state of the art as many people think. It is very hard for programmers to tap into the potential. It is VERY unlikely that the PS3 will deliver better graphics, or even graphics that are equal to the xbox.

I used to be unbiased towards the next gen consoles...I even routed for the PS3 at one point. But the facts have me leaning towards the 360.

"Don't forget Blu-Ray either. While not a necessarily liked feature, it is quite a lot more |337 than the standard DVD drive in the Elite."

Well I like HD DVD, and I think that the blu ray drive will quickly become obsolete. However, you are correct, The 360 only has a dvd drive, which is already obsolete.

[Thomas @ Apr 26th 2007 3:19PM]

Someone can't spell 1337!

[Elite Gamer @ Apr 28th 2007 6:59AM]

blu ray sucks ass and the sony games list has sucked since the first xbox came out. bet every1 with a ps3 cant wait for singstar. freakin losers

[engadget @ Apr 26th 2007 2:53PM]

I agree with the former poster, the 360 totally looks like an old Dell desktop, it's awful. The PS3 looks like a widget out of Blake's 7 so for that reason it gets my vote.

[just.Rob @ Apr 26th 2007 2:53PM]

ryan, if you took that picture... you look bald as hell in that reflection

[Ryan Block @ Apr 26th 2007 3:31PM]

Um, but I am bald? I shaved my head last week.

[Fuzz @ Apr 26th 2007 2:54PM]

There is no "these are the ugliest pieces of consumer electronics every created and expected to live with all other sleek electronic devices in my cabinet" option. Give me a Wii anyday over these 2 monstrosities.

[Steve @ Apr 26th 2007 2:55PM]

That matt black is a sweet as the steath bomber

[rj @ Apr 26th 2007 2:55PM]

What does 1337 mean?

[Steve @ Apr 26th 2007 3:01PM]

It's means elite as in 1337 leet

old skooool hax0r talk

[bryanjk @ Apr 29th 2007 2:58AM]

1337 = leet
http://www.urbandictionary.com
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The consoles are both nice, but I would prefer the 360... because it's cheap, fun, has a popular online service (xbox live), lots of accessories, currently has some of the best games (opinion), and its just what I like.

[Jackson @ Apr 26th 2007 2:58PM]

The 360 begins to be comparable after spending 100 dollars on the wifi dongle, and 200 for the HD-DVD dongle, and then you have to pay 50 bucks to play online.

[cs32 @ Apr 26th 2007 3:31PM]

Except I do not need Wi-Fi being that my router sits right next to my 360. Wired is more reliable than wireless for gaming. And, if you want them to match exactly, then you need to need to buy a new wireless adapter for the PS3 - the 360 wireless is A/B/G, the PS3 is only B/G. I use A for my laptop at home, much faster and reliable than B/G.

Now add in the $60 for the Sony HDMI cable - the elite version has one in box. $53 for a 120GB drive for the PS3 (from newegg) - the elite version has one in box. $30 for a headset (the cheapest one from EBGames) - the elite version has one in box.

Add in the $200 for the HD DVD drive (although, there were reports of it for $79 from Sam's, but we will go with the official prices).

360 Elite price - $679
PS3 price - $842

That is $163 difference, which you could spend on XBL Gold but a lot of people are just using Silver (and the Elite has a card for free Gold time). I do have a Gold acount, and I do play games on it. I also do have a PS3, but I do not because 1) None of my friends have one, so we cannot play and 2) not many games have online play for the PS3. Finally, game publishers can charge for their online play since they have to run the servers, MS runs the servers so all the play you want is built into the Gold membership with no additional price.

[James Najera @ Apr 27th 2007 11:39AM]

Seriously, who the hell will spend $100 for the xbox 360 wifi dongle when you can buy a Linksys wrt54G and wirelessly bridge the Xbox 360 to your wireless router for $40.

[Carl @ Apr 27th 2007 7:17PM]

Dude 2 posts above, you forget that you dont NEED the sony one - its just the same to get a really chepa one. And why do you want a 120GB HDD when you can just get a 60GB External, to have 120GB altogether? So really you're just adding in money that needn't be spent, in order to make the elite look better?

[x54Kx TH3 B3AST @ Sep 25th 2008 6:55PM]

PS3 Guys say what you want about the 360 but I'll actually listen when the PS3 game lineup improves. I don't know about most of you but having features such as Blue Ray and a crazy "free" online multiplayer game setup when there aren't alot of games out for the 360 that even utilize headsets is a bit hilarious to me. Who wants to play online with people you can only IM? You know what they say, "You get what you pay for" but in the case of the PS3 I think somebody lied.

While I agree that the blue Ray drive over a DVD drive is nice lets be realistic here -hardcore gammers baught it for high-res games not movies. I baught Spiderman 3 on the PS3 for the extra character that is only available on the PS3 version however the graphics were just pittiful in comparrison to the full HD I could have gotten on the 360.

I am a programmer -nuff said. I think that the Playstation team is spending tooooooo much time perfecting the things that don't really matter right now instead of putting their efforts into things that the average user won't notice anyway because of things like for instance: they own an older TV's that only show up to 720p.

And for those of you who will say that the 360 came out long before the PS3. The PS3 has been out for years before the XBOX was even dreamed of and when the XBOX 1 came out it blew the PS2 out of the picture. Stop making up excuses fir the Playstion, and start demanding more -like games for staters. I mean how much COD3 can a man play?

[Josh @ Jun 17th 2007 1:09PM]

lets not forget the fact that you dont need to buy a "ps3" headset. my bluetooth headset for my cell phone works just fine for my ps3, so thats money saved again.

[NINJAAAAAAA @ Jun 17th 2007 1:30PM]

Your an idiot. You don't NEED wi-fi at all on a 360. ANd who the fuck buys a xbox 360 to watch movies? Thats' what a fucking dvd player is for.

fuck your couch, jackson. 50 dollars a year for online service is pretty fucking tight.


and i don't remember who said it. something about the titles on ps3. your retarded. msg4 comes on on 360 too. along with a bunch of titles that used to be ps3 only.

FF13 360 version? hells yea, ho.

[COLONEL90 @ Jun 22nd 2007 2:27PM]

To NINJAAAAAAA; no MGS4 isn't going to be on 360, it's already a confirmed PS3 exlusive, and so is FFXIII. So get your facts straight before you leave incorrect feedback!

[Vengeance @ Jul 24th 2007 7:55AM]

@C32
If you spend $60 on an HDMI cable, you're the gullible type of person that Monster markets to. You can get an HDMI cable for $5 from Amazon. It's digital, not analogue, you don't need super high quality cables to get the best output.

@x54Kx TH3 B3AST
Why can't you play SpiderMan 3 in HD on the PS3?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8925983&&#post8925983
I have an Xbox360 and SpiderMan 3, and the graphics in 1080i don't look much better than SpiderMan 2 on PS2. The difference is barely noticeable.

"The PS3 has been out for years before the XBOX was even dreamed of and when the XBOX 1 came out it blew the PS2 out of the picture. Stop making up excuses fir the Playstion"

Uhh, are you smoking crack? Shooting PCP? Snorting Crystal Meth? I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and say you just typed that wrong, and just meant PS. How exactly did the Xbox blow PS2 out of the picture? The PS2 is the best selling console of all time(non handheld). Are you talking technologically? Then yes, but newer PS2 games graphics are comparable to Xbox.

[Mojo_Yugen @ Apr 26th 2007 3:01PM]

Jimmy likes shiny things!

[COLONEL90 @ Jun 22nd 2007 2:30PM]

Uh Penguin Warlord; the games are PS3 "exclusives" for a reason. The games are not going to be on other consoles if they're "exlusives"!

[Karl @ Apr 26th 2007 3:06PM]

"Except that the cell processor is not as state of the art as many people think. It is very hard for programmers to tap into the potential. It is VERY unlikely that the PS3 will deliver better graphics, or even graphics that are equal to the xbox. "

Uhm... except that it's out, and it is. And it's not all that hard for programmers to tap in to - that's something that has been blown out of proportion, and something that Sony is making much easier in SDK revisions.